Condition: Used ( 9/10: Excellent )
9/10: Excellent - Perfect Physical Condition, Light Use
This Thorens Reference turntable was inherited from the owner’s father, who was its first and only owner until his passing. Unfortunately, the original documentation has been lost over time, and the exact year of manufacture is unknown.
Technically and visually, the unit remains in excellent condition. According to its previous course of ownership, it is in original condition and features a black and silver color combination.
The Reference turntable is equipped with three tonearms — an SME V, an EMT 929 (9-inch variant), and a very rare Odyssey XG RP1. It also includes an additional tonearm base and two original Thorens Reference drive belts. The turntable comes with a protective cover and a custom-made base plate with rollers.
No pickup cartridges are currently installed. The original shipping box is no longer available, but a replacement box will be ordered at no additional cost (delivery time approximately three days).
Thorens Reference BLACK
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Thorens New Reference – Key Technical Features & Specifications
Feature Specification / Description Drive & Motor 3-phase synchronous motor, driven by three linear power amplifiers with 120° phase-shifted sine signals Technology Factory+2Concerto+2 Drive Type Belt drive (motor torque transmitted via a belt) Technology Factory+2Concerto+2 Bearing / Platter Hydrodynamic disc bearing (hand-finished in Germany) monoandstereo.com+3Technology Factory+3Concerto+3 Speed Control / Accuracy Quartz-controlled with double oscillators; stability: max. 3 ppm over 20 years Technology Factory+2Concerto+2 Speed Stability / Wow & Flutter The active damping and control system aim to reduce speed modulation and resonance effects (especially at ~4 Hz) Technology Factory+2Concerto+2 Vibration Isolation / Damping Fully active vibration isolation + Sky-Hook damping (contactless, based on piezoelectric sensors) monoandstereo.com+3Technology Factory+3Concerto+3 Adaptive Leveling System keeps the turntable level to within 20 µm Technology Factory+2Concerto+2 Tonearm Compatibility Can be fitted with up to 3 tonearm bases thorens.com+2Technology Factory+2 Supported Tonearm Lengths 9", 10", 12" Concerto+2Technology Factory+2 Materials / Chassis Layered, highly damped materials to reduce resonance; non-resonant design monoandstereo.com+3Technology Factory+3Concerto+3 Color / Finish Options Black (among other finishes) Hi-Fi Stället+3Auditorium+3Concerto+3 Historical / Legacy Reference Model (1980s) – Not “New Reference” but Original Reference
Because “Thorens Reference BLACK” might refer to the earlier original “Reference” model (from the 1980s), here’s what I found about that:
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The original Thorens Reference weighed ~ 90 kg (very heavy) reference.thorens.com
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It featured a tunable subchassis design and was able to support up to three tonearms reference.thorens.com
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The platter itself weighed about 6 kg, which was light relative to the total mass, but its design used mass and the subchassis to achieve stability reference.thorens.com
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Originally produced in a limited edition of ~100 units, with customization options for color and tonearms reference.thorens.com+1
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11/10: New - Unopened Factory Shipment
An item rated as "NEW" must come in its factory-sealed box. The item should not have been opened or used in any way. The seller should clearly indicate if any warranty is included and specify whether it is backed by the manufacturer. Some manufacturers only honor warranties if the product is purchased from an authorized dealer, and others may offer warranties only to the original owner, even if the box has never been opened. If no warranty details are provided, it’s essential for buyers to inquire with the seller for clarification.
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Important Note: Items that have been opened for inspection or any other reason should NOT be listed as "NEW."
10/10: Mint - Essentially Never Used, Factory Fresh Appearance
The "Mint" grade is reserved for items that have been removed from their original packaging but have barely been used—typically less than a year since first use. These items should look like new without any visible blemishes, scratches, or discoloration from environmental exposure (e.g., oils from fingers, smoke, or household chemicals).
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: No visible scratches, nicks, or blemishes; connectors and plating should appear like new.
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Speakers: No signs of use, with perfectly intact grilles and flawless veneer.
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Turntables: Covers should be free of dust, fingerprints, or swirls.
Items at this level are rare, as very few pre-owned or demo products meet this standard.
9/10: Excellent - Perfect Physical Condition, Light Use
An item in Excellent condition will show signs of light use but will be in pristine physical shape. It may have been used occasionally but remains in near-perfect condition.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: No visible scratches, but light dust may be present in crevices. Connectors may show slight use, but no discoloration.
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Speakers: Perfect appearance on the front face, with minor indentations on the back or bottom that do not affect the veneer.
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Turntables: Minor signs of use, like slight hazing on the cover or minor scratches on the headshell.
8/10: Very Good - Minor Flaw, Well-Maintained
A product rated 8/10 has been used but is still in great condition. It may have a few minor flaws that are noticeable only on closer inspection, such as small scratches on the top or sides.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Minor scratches on the top plate or sides (max 1/2" long), no major wear on connectors.
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Speakers: Slight discoloration along edges or minor scratches on the bottom.
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Turntables: Light haziness on covers, but no visible scratches on the main surfaces.
7/10: Good - Visible Use, Well Maintained
Items rated Good show more significant signs of use but are still in functional condition. They may have noticeable scratches, light wear on connectors, or slight damage to the body.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Visible scratches, some wear on the knobs and switches, no dents or bulges.
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Speakers: Minor scratches on the veneer, loose-fitting grilles, or light wear on speaker covers.
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Turntables: Hazy covers, some visible scratches on the tonearm or platter.
6/10: Fair - Noticeable Wear, Fully Functional
An item graded as Fair will show clear signs of use, including multiple minor scratches or even some major blemishes. Despite these imperfections, the item functions perfectly.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Major scratches (over 2” long), slight dents, or wear on the front facia.
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Speakers: Larger scratches through the veneer (up to 2”), or worn-out grilles.
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Turntables: Scratched covers or worn-out platter surfaces.
5/10: Average - Multiple Scratches, Well Used
At this grade, the item shows significant wear and multiple scratches. The physical condition may be rough, but the equipment remains functional.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Several scratches on the front and other surfaces, some rust or pitting on connectors.
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Speakers: Major scratches, broken or missing grille covers, visible damage on the cabinet.
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Turntables: Cracked covers, visible damage to the tonearm, or excessive wear on the platter.
4/10: Mediocre - Rough Physical Condition, Functional
This grade is for items in rough physical shape, though they still function properly. These items are typically used or aged but are not beyond repair.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Broken or cracked display faces, heavy pitting on chrome, or visible rust.
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Speakers: Dented corners or broken binding posts, but still functional.
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Turntables: Missing covers or severe discoloration from wear.
3/10: Poor - Heavily Used, Functional
Items in Poor condition show significant physical damage, but all functions still work. These products are far from "pristine" and may be for parts or temporary use.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Severe pitting or oxidation, dented and rusted parts, possibly missing knobs.
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Speakers: Major scratches or chunks missing, but drivers still intact.
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Turntables: Visible damage to tonearm, cracked covers, or other serious wear.
2/10: Very Poor - Heavily Damaged, Some Functional Issues
A Very Poor item is in terrible physical condition and may have functional problems. However, it might still have some usable parts or could be restored.
Key characteristics:
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Electronics: Major dents, missing knobs, non-functional buttons or switches.
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Speakers: Torn drivers, severe damage to the cabinet, or non-functioning grilles.
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Turntables: Warped platters, or tonearm with tight or wobbly bearings.
1/10: Shot - For Parts Only
Items rated 1/10 are in non-functional condition. They are typically beyond repair and can only be used for parts.
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